TAPE #407, Side A; DATE: 8/31/92
AB: ALICE BROWN
SD: SYLVIA DAVIS
UF: UNKNOWN FEMALE
UI: UNINTELLIGIBLE
(Beginning of Side A)
1 SD: (clears throat)
2 UF: Maybe I should put it about right there; so if they go
for a walk.
3 SD: Um hmmm.
4 AB: Where's DR. SEWARD?
5 SD: He's back at the hospital. So uh, I hope he'll see you
today. But I'm not sure.
6 (Pause)
7 SD: (clears throat) Well, I keep backing up here. This is
the 31st, 30th, 29h. The 29th was
8 um Saturday. The 28th...
9 AB: Was Friday.
10 SD: ...was Friday. So you have worked through those issues
of wanting to kill yourself, huh?
11 AB: A little bit, yeah.
12 SD: Um hmm. If you ah, stressed that very much, that would
be a good way of ending your
13 insurance and getting you released from hospital.
14 AB: What?
15 SD: I think, if you think there is still some parts inside
that would endanger the body...
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1 AB: Uh-huh?
2 SD: ... than you need to, um, be more specific about that
That you've partly worked your way
3 through those issues.
4 AB: I said I worked my way through some of them.
5 SD: Well, this says uh, patient reports that she herself
used to feel that way, that is
6 suic... wanting to hurt herself, but has worked through
those issues. Sounds as though you
7 were real empathic with your fear, with your fear. But
when, when you you project
8 yourself as being all well, they chart that stuff, you
really um, you know if that's the truth
9 then we should hurry up your treatment and get you
discharged. Do you know what I
10 mean? Because it's fraudulent to keep you if you've worked
through all of those issues.
11 AB: I didn't say worked through all of them.
12 SD: Well, you said uh, patient reported that she herself
used to feel that way but has worked
13 through those issues.
14 AB: I didn't say all of them.
15 SD: Okay. You need to be very careful with your wording in
groups and things like that. Not
16 to present yourself healthier than you are, but if you
really have worked through your stuff
17 you know...
18 AB: Jesus...
19 SD: Jesus? What do you mean9
20 AB: I say one thing in group and... God.
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1 SD: Well, you were obviously being a
um, being a good group member and showing uh, a lot
2 of affect about missing your mother and your dad, and, and
you were being supportive of
3 your peers. It sounds like you were being a good group
member. It's that, just when you
4 talk about your own stuff you need to really be accurate
about it. Cause we don't want to
5 keep you here fraudulently if you've really worked through
all of your safety issues. Do
6 you know what I mean? (Pause) And you brought up the issue
of the dolphin film it also
7 says, but only in the context that it made her mad that
animals are treated that way. Not
8 that it had scared you, very badly. Um hmm. Is it okay if I tell you these little things, to
9 help you stay, keep yourself protected? ALICE? ALICE?
KAR-REN? ALICE? Is
10 it okay if I point out these little things, that could
get you a problem? The way you're
11 looking, I guess it's not alright. You're looking all
crunched up like I'd said you were
12 dumb or stupid or something. And I didn't say those
things. Why don't you put words to
13 squeeze in that thing. Like dammit, dammit charting or
whatever it is. What are the
14 words that go with squeezing that that way?
15 AB: I hate the staff.
16 SD: Okay, say more. Good. Came right out of your mouth.
Got no problem with you saying
17 that. Say more. Say more.
18 AB: I don't see why they go and chart everything.
19 SD: Well, that's their job. And lots of stuff that they
reported I'm sure was real accurate. And
20 showed you were really being a good strong group member.
(clears throat) Did you ever
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1 get my postcard?
2 AB: Um hmm.
3 SD: Okay. Both of them?
4 AB: Um hmm.
5 SD: Okay. What would you like to talk about today? Is this
your stuff you want me to read or
6 the others?
7 AB: Everything.
8 SD: Every every thing? Okay. Who's JACKIE?
9 AB: One of the parts inside that came out when PAIGE was
here.
10 SD: Oh, okay. She's gonna see you this week.
11 AB: She never came last week.
12 SD: Um hmm. I know.
13 AB: She never comes anymore. She just, didn't come that
one time and she hasn't come since.
14 SD: Well, you've done a lot of writing here.
15 AB: It's a letter to my mom.
16 SD: Oh, I'm sorry.
17 AB: You can read it.
18 SD: Usually you know how I, how I read things, through
things backwards and I was just, I
19 was just glancing at that. Um, do you want me to read it?
20 AB: It doesn't matter.
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1 SD: Well, I could wait and read that
then okay? But I think that's neat that you would do
2 that. And work on some of your um, issues that way. Some
of the sadness and loneliness.
3 You've quit referring to BA as dad?
4 AB: Um hmm.
5 SD: Um hmm
6 AB: He's not my dad
7 SD: Um hmm.
8 AB: I don't have a real dad.
9 SD: Um hmm. (Pause) Good. So, you're progressing along with
the feelings about, he's not
10 going into, in for treatment. (Pause) Um hmm. I've found,
kind of a bad time for your
11 mom. This is a very precious letter. Very nice.
12 AB: I want her to have it. And her doctor, for her to read
it.
13 (garbled speed, sounds like tape stops, starts again)
14 SD: It's just, I don't...
15 (Tape stops)
16 (End of Side A)
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